tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post2059298029189484023..comments2024-03-24T15:03:03.162+00:00Comments on EV Sales: China October 2020José Ponteshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-1780832682877136132020-12-01T18:16:21.097+00:002020-12-01T18:16:21.097+00:00All markets. Both were discontinued around 2011/20...All markets. Both were discontinued around 2011/2012 -- the FR-V after only a few years and a single generation. (The Multipla was introduced earlier, and got a major facelift around the time the FR-V was introduced, but didn't make it beyond that either.)antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-27446955819798272062020-11-30T23:19:32.966+00:002020-11-30T23:19:32.966+00:00Honda FRV is too narrow a crossover to be a 6 seat...Honda FRV is too narrow a crossover to be a 6 seater, they should widen it a little bit. After all, its much shorter in length than a typical 6/7 seater. So widening a little bit will not increase the cost. BTW, which market did it flop. famlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-75581205278538315182020-11-27T18:00:17.928+00:002020-11-27T18:00:17.928+00:00Owners of long-range EVs on average drive longer d...Owners of long-range EVs on average drive longer distances than average combustion cars -- more like diesels. That's a fact. There's been research on that.<br /><br />But sure, call it nonsense because it doesn't fit your conjecture...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-84697319081326556692020-11-26T22:22:36.810+00:002020-11-26T22:22:36.810+00:00Does anybody know where I can check Chinese car re...Does anybody know where I can check Chinese car registrations? They used to be available through www.chooseauto.cn.com but the site ceased to exist.Detleffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-67879633072746115402020-11-26T10:14:38.234+00:002020-11-26T10:14:38.234+00:00@antrik
Sorry what you say is nonsense.
90% of ri...@antrik<br />Sorry what you say is nonsense. <br />90% of rides are short distance on average.<br />Very few people ride long distances often. <br />And if they do they usually us a PHEV or even a Diesel.Kooglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18190230449830197502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-39585398377308139682020-11-26T09:05:34.931+00:002020-11-26T09:05:34.931+00:00Rivals to cut prices? You mean combustion cars?......Rivals to cut prices? You mean combustion cars?...<br /><br />The only comparable EV I can think of is the Nissan Ariya (which isn't even out yet) -- and that is supposed to have similar pricing IIRC.<br /><br />As for Chinese subsidies, they also get a 10% sales(?) tax waiver -- so for vehicles in this price class, the total subsidies are actually similar.<br /><br />Having said that, the ID.4 might indeed end up cheaper in China, simply because it isn't imported from Europe...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-66181644194032765252020-11-26T08:44:34.738+00:002020-11-26T08:44:34.738+00:00The last times someone attempted launching a car w...The last times someone attempted launching a car with 3+3 seat arrangement were the Fiat Multipla and the Honda FR-V -- neither of which was exactly a roaring success...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-34933292016680905192020-11-26T08:33:23.286+00:002020-11-26T08:33:23.286+00:00@Maarten there is no need to speculate: 22,929 is ...@Maarten there is no need to speculate: 22,929 is the actual production figure for October. (Yes, it did exceed everyone's expectations...)antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-22949579655508576922020-11-25T19:20:43.930+00:002020-11-25T19:20:43.930+00:007,000+ Model 3s were shipped to Europe on 30 Octob...7,000+ Model 3s were shipped to Europe on 30 October from China.<br />Net-net 3k difference in production and Deliveries and that's normal because you can not deliver the last few days of production of the month to customers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-9687567535502861542020-11-25T18:08:28.860+00:002020-11-25T18:08:28.860+00:00The Model 3 theoretical capacity was increased to ...The Model 3 theoretical capacity was increased to 250,000/year.<br />This volume will be reached in the first few month of 2021. Likely March 2021 will be first month with 1/12*250,000 production speed. Without holidays or other disruptions that is just over 20,000 Model 3. October was likely between 12,000 and 15,000 with about 7,000 exported to South-Korea and Europe.<br /> <br />Between adding the machinery to the line, and getting workers and suppliers up to speed is normally a few month to a year.Maarten Vinkhuyzennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-25521488523011120952020-11-25T17:10:25.264+00:002020-11-25T17:10:25.264+00:00VW ID.4 gets official EPA range of 250 miles / 400...VW ID.4 gets official EPA range of 250 miles / 400 km. Priced at $40.000, its more affordable for its size than rivals. Time for others to cut the prices.<br /><br />I am hoping VW to price it much lower in China where there is whole lot of competition. While US gives $7.500 rebate, China gives only $3.200, so the post rebate price is much higher there.<br />famlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-27565986605776507902020-11-25T16:39:43.077+00:002020-11-25T16:39:43.077+00:00As more PEVs are sold, government have to shell ou...As more PEVs are sold, government have to shell our more subsidy money. Its very likely that they can subsidy. 7% of the vehicles being PEV is a lot.<br />Eventually automakers will have to sell without any subsidy. <br /><br />What is great is that without any subsidy Wuling MiniEV sold 20.631 units. Other automakers can emulate this.<br />famlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-33608386482734402702020-11-25T16:35:57.088+00:002020-11-25T16:35:57.088+00:00Just like vehicles move from engine to motor,
they...Just like vehicles move from engine to motor,<br />they will go from 5 & 7 seater to 4 & 6 seater (3-front, 3-back).<br />This optimizes the space fully. With no stick shift in the middle and no need for center console to store CDs, the middle area can be converted to a seat.<br /><br />And these compact 4 seaters will soon become common. Thats why you see so many city cars in the list. I am hoping for some company to launch 6 seater as well in 3, 3 format which is much shorter in length.famlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-46890088606809228522020-11-25T13:21:10.441+00:002020-11-25T13:21:10.441+00:00Tesla produced around 23,000 Model 3 in the GF3 in...Tesla produced around 23,000 Model 3 in the GF3 in October. Why were only 12,000 sold? What's going on there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-14422096888424910722020-11-25T06:49:53.597+00:002020-11-25T06:49:53.597+00:00Didn't the government commit to no major subsi...Didn't the government commit to no major subsidy cuts next year?...<br /><br />Though I guess that might change, if the current trend continues and tiny city EVs start grabbing most of the subsidies again... The government has repeatedly shown that they aren't interested in promoting that.antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-120365970583917852020-11-25T06:40:19.325+00:002020-11-25T06:40:19.325+00:00A long-range vehicle will typically be driving muc...A long-range vehicle will typically be driving much longer distances -- so it will indeed save as much emissions as a whole bunch of limited-use mini EVs.<br /><br />Also, none of what you described has anything to do with why young people often don't want to own cars... Which BTW is a good thing.antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-80554087428392466282020-11-24T18:30:40.186+00:002020-11-24T18:30:40.186+00:00147.285 with the reduced subsidies is wonderful. A...147.285 with the reduced subsidies is wonderful. Again next year, there may be another cut in subsidies. But this time, automakers are better prepared to keep selling more.<br /><br />Tesla Model 3 sales have crossed 700.000 mark. Congratulations.<br />3 city EVs being in top-4 is great. Clear message to every automaker that 4 seater is good enough.<br /><br />Global sales will hit 300.000 again.<br />famlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-42588034380790670562020-11-24T10:17:48.411+00:002020-11-24T10:17:48.411+00:00The success of the affordable city car like GM Wul...The success of the affordable city car like GM Wuling should be taken as a role model for Europe.<br /><br />Europe needs a NEW Class of vehicles like between Citroën Ami and Dacia Spring.<br /><br />This class should not contain any nonsense like lane assist. <br /><br />It should be allowed for teenagers from age 15.<br />It should be allowed for four persons.<br />Speed should be limited somewhere between 60 and 100.<br /><br />Today many young people do not want to own a vehicle. <br />Such a small class vehicle could be an introduction to automobiles. <br /><br />But the OEMs are scared because they want to sell expensive vehicles.<br />That is very short sighted. <br /><br />I would rather spend the battery material of one long range vehicle to produce 10 tiny City EVs. Kooglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18190230449830197502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-91477502324867160792020-11-24T09:37:25.085+00:002020-11-24T09:37:25.085+00:00Will be interesting to see how long the Wuling MIN...Will be interesting to see how long the Wuling MINI will be allowed to keep disrupting the market all on its own, before others come up with models in a similar price range...antriknoreply@blogger.com