tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post8217134102688390686..comments2024-03-24T15:03:03.162+00:00Comments on EV Sales: Germany May 2019José Ponteshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-43553722259852311932019-06-19T19:34:43.283+00:002019-06-19T19:34:43.283+00:00Surely, no one understands that you have other poi...Surely, no one understands that you have other points than dismiss facts.<br />BEVs have battery shortages and long waitings lists because that suits carmaker's own benefits, although in June 2019 in Germany, you are forced to wait because:<br />there are for sale more than 800 Zoe "nearly used", there are for sale more than 400 Leaf "nearly used", there are for sale more than 500 Ioniq EV "nearly used" and there are for sale more than 100 Niro EV "nearly used", that's why battery availability isn't enough to "satisfy" customers, but wait, in case of Tesla, in this same country this month there is only few more than 40 cars "nearly used" available for sale. Tesla doesn't have battery shortages because... you know, they don't have "nearly used" vehicles available for sale!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-35482784415121257132019-06-19T15:51:25.818+00:002019-06-19T15:51:25.818+00:00Underestimated demand is also usually the cause fo...Underestimated demand is also usually the cause for BEV battery shortages -- so not sure what your point is?...<br /><br />(Also, there is nothing wrong with speculating about possible causes -- *especially* in the discussion section...)antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-18314142352562817402019-06-19T09:00:41.489+00:002019-06-19T09:00:41.489+00:00In the case of Porsche, the battery supply constra...In the case of Porsche, the battery supply constraints were due to a shift on product planning, initially the PHEV share for both Cayenne and Panamera (especially this one) wasn't supposed to be so high, hence the supply contracts were falling short. IMHO, it would add a lot more credibility here if we could just stick to reporting facts than just pointing 'possible causes' like sales targets/discounts in PHEVs. What? So no sales targets/discounts on the BEV front too? To my mind the Leaf and Zoe are just two BEVs the most pushed by those tactics, each one to see what they want to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-78834221606747683302019-06-18T09:12:35.360+00:002019-06-18T09:12:35.360+00:00I agree that the charge rate is quite a disappoint...I agree that the charge rate is quite a disappointment -- especially in view of the alliance partner's Leaf e+ claiming 100 kW even with its passively cooled battery... While the slightly bigger battery and sorta-fast charging should make longer distance travel with the new Zoe a bit more viable, I fear for the most part it will still be pretty much confined to being a city car only...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-41076273774842033962019-06-18T09:03:01.115+00:002019-06-18T09:03:01.115+00:00Not sure about "comfortably": but it cer...Not sure about "comfortably": but it certainly seems like a possibility -- which would be pretty amazing :-)<br /><br />(Though still rather poor in view of the official government goal announced a couple years back of having one million EVs on the roads by 2020... I don't have much hope of seeing even half of that by the end of next year -- right now it's maybe a fifth?...)antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-67919360320935872272019-06-18T08:54:30.099+00:002019-06-18T08:54:30.099+00:00That's not how it works. The cars headed for E...That's not how it works. The cars headed for Europe have already been produced, loaded on ships, and sent on their way before the end of May. While June production seems to be focusing on the US (thus again breaking the promise of "unravelling the wave"), that doesn't change the fact that Europe will also see a deliveries peak at the end of the quarter -- just like it has always been with Tesla...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-52220888909093180592019-06-18T08:43:43.841+00:002019-06-18T08:43:43.841+00:00The Leaf 60 was supposed to start in June, but i h...The Leaf 60 was supposed to start in June, but i haven't heard anything so far.José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-62782537782905357512019-06-18T08:42:25.195+00:002019-06-18T08:42:25.195+00:00Although rare, there have been cases where compani...Although rare, there have been cases where companies had battery constraints in their PHEVs, on top my mind, Porsche was an example.<br /><br />The new S-Class (S560e) is already on sale, but in small volumes.<br /><br />The PHEV fluctuation might be in part to do with sales targets/discounts. <br /><br />BEVs sell for themselves, with waiting lists and all, without any need of discounting, but for PHEVs, that's not the case. José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-74456373430172768102019-06-18T08:36:47.712+00:002019-06-18T08:36:47.712+00:00The 50 kW charging rate is a bit of a let down, bu...The 50 kW charging rate is a bit of a let down, but the real success factor will be pricing.<br /><br />Will it start below 30k eur?José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-52170844393071372582019-06-18T08:34:26.264+00:002019-06-18T08:34:26.264+00:00You can something like what you are asking on the ...You can something like what you are asking on the EAFO website: eafo.euJosé Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-33567481204089826412019-06-18T01:06:01.001+00:002019-06-18T01:06:01.001+00:00With the new Zoe50 announced, we can expect a litt...With the new Zoe50 announced, we can expect a little Osborne effect. Unless the order portfolio is big enough to bridge the time until the new model reaches the customers.<br /> <br />Do you know when Sunderland will start delivering Leaf60 cars. It is really time for it.Maarten Vinkhuyzennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-9539516625414598212019-06-17T15:11:51.136+00:002019-06-17T15:11:51.136+00:00I believe the E-Class getting the upgraded version...I believe the E-Class getting the upgraded version (re-)introduced before the C-Class was the plan all along? (With the S-Class following even later -- though with a more significant upgrade...) I don't think it's a battery issue. In fact, I don't remember ever hearing about PHEV battery shortages?...<br /><br />BTW, any idea *why* the German market is always so choppy?... I guess occasional spikes for some BEV models (Zoe, i3, Golf, Smart) can be explained by car sharing fleets -- but I have no clue what could cause the other fluctuations...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-84672969987534698552019-06-17T14:42:58.038+00:002019-06-17T14:42:58.038+00:00A strong update of the ZOE has been published by R...A strong update of the ZOE has been published by Renault today, which can be ordered in late summer: https://media.renault.at/?article=1970&sfns=mo This will help to keep the leading sales rank.<br />Best regardsClean Air!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04337370892951785084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-17669692935221726202019-06-17T13:50:52.932+00:002019-06-17T13:50:52.932+00:00Looks like Model 3 and Zoe should each comfortably...Looks like Model 3 and Zoe should each comfortably break 10K sales in Germany this year. The i3 and Outlander have a chance of doing the same.Taylor S. Markshttp://marksfam.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-56140671134450154162019-06-17T13:31:14.365+00:002019-06-17T13:31:14.365+00:00Hi Jose, thank you so much for our hard work resea...Hi Jose, thank you so much for our hard work researching and publishing this information. I know this is not your full-time job and I don't know how to find the time to do it. <br /><br />For us EV geeks this is fascinating information and I know I am looking forward to reading your report every morning. It is so encouraging to see how the EV movement is progressing around the world. <br /><br />To that end it would be nice to see a bar chart showing the percentage of EV sales in each country once in a while. (Monthly or quarterly?) That way we could see which countries are making the fastest progress. <br /><br />Just a thought... <br /><br />Why Not?https://www.blogger.com/profile/00147133696226818974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-14291341753770016652019-06-17T10:50:22.785+00:002019-06-17T10:50:22.785+00:00I doubt there will be a huge jump in Model 3 regis...I doubt there will be a huge jump in Model 3 registrations in Europe in June, as Tesla will be focusing in the US, to make maximum use of the tax break before the next step down.Alexander Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04592007433147176027noreply@blogger.com