tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post9165164660064947029..comments2024-03-24T15:03:03.162+00:00Comments on EV Sales: Sweden February 2020José Ponteshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-15112436082919181422020-03-11T12:48:20.606+00:002020-03-11T12:48:20.606+00:00@antrik
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Agree@antrik<br />+1<br />AgreeVladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-90327808396933591142020-03-11T09:41:51.685+00:002020-03-11T09:41:51.685+00:00More than 2 times growht is that good?It is great!...More than 2 times growht is that good?It is great!February of Europe.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-87407778895899522092020-03-10T21:00:22.918+00:002020-03-10T21:00:22.918+00:00LOL
LOL<br /><br />José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-72913378251325242182020-03-06T00:33:25.532+00:002020-03-06T00:33:25.532+00:00Wagon preference is a good point -- I had forgotte...Wagon preference is a good point -- I had forgotten about that one... Surely explains some of the PHEV slant, though certainly not all.<br /><br />(There are several BEV hatchbacks on the other hand, and also an increasing number of crossovers -- so I think this point applies mostly only for wagons...)antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-48342890773081945982020-03-06T00:30:12.261+00:002020-03-06T00:30:12.261+00:00Most (all?) biofuels have a terrible climate impac...Most (all?) biofuels have a terrible climate impact -- actually worse than fossils. It's an egregious case of green-washing.<br /><br />Studies show vastly differing usage patterns depending on the type of PHEV; and I'd assume also depending the location. In the US for example, "serious" entrants like the Volt see a clear majority of electric driving, while poor ones such as Prius PHEV don't even get half.<br /><br />I haven't seen actual numbers for Europe: but considering the incentive-induced distortions in several (not all) countries, and the poor EV experience of pretty much all European PHEV models, I can't imagine them getting good scores in a representative study...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-30554239349376650742020-03-06T00:16:36.635+00:002020-03-06T00:16:36.635+00:00Germany is a bit of a special case, since the ince...Germany is a bit of a special case, since the incentive increase was delayed, and only took effect some time in February AIUI, thus presumably delaying some orders. Other markets should be more representative. Sweden is actually a bit up, while Spain shows a very slight pull-back; and you mentioned France with a somewhat larger pull-back -- let's see how others do...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-79262100330401169542020-03-05T20:31:05.261+00:002020-03-05T20:31:05.261+00:00There's really nothin wrong with a PHEV, studi...There's really nothin wrong with a PHEV, studies suggest that the majority of km are done on electricity. Combine that with biofuels, the climate impact of PHEVs aren't bad at all, compared to a BEV.Magnus Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04952085989304525870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-13027768063034119862020-03-05T12:37:22.196+00:002020-03-05T12:37:22.196+00:00There is no rational explanation for this.Maybe tr...There is no rational explanation for this.Maybe tradition?:)Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-27740122047859769292020-03-05T12:29:12.661+00:002020-03-05T12:29:12.661+00:00@antrik
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In Norway has an even harsher climate. ...@antrik<br />+1<br />In Norway has an even harsher climate. Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-69048355701818582602020-03-05T12:16:07.992+00:002020-03-05T12:16:07.992+00:00XC40 BEV,Polestar2,T3(all 3 months in a Q),Kona,TY...XC40 BEV,Polestar2,T3(all 3 months in a Q),Kona,TY.Sweden forgot what a wagon is at the end of the year.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-63542456155012664352020-03-05T12:02:23.850+00:002020-03-05T12:02:23.850+00:00@Mikael
3-4 years?It is not easier to refuse vagon...@Mikael<br />3-4 years?It is not easier to refuse vagons no one in the world buys them.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-58724811974407170692020-03-05T08:24:35.531+00:002020-03-05T08:24:35.531+00:00Well, in Germany BEVs increased by 650 cars, in Fr...Well, in Germany BEVs increased by 650 cars, in France they reduced by 1500, so, considering delayed sales, February is looking good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-22705070239012941262020-03-05T07:39:11.230+00:002020-03-05T07:39:11.230+00:00As Sweden is the country of Volvo, I guess that as...As Sweden is the country of Volvo, I guess that as Volvo does not produce any BEV yet, that is why they buy mostly PHEV. As soon as Volvo starts BEV production in 2-3 years, situation should change. Another reason is that it is anorthern country, it is cold. So, a city car should have about 400 km range I assume in order to have real 200 km.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-14498566213383920832020-03-04T22:26:09.346+00:002020-03-04T22:26:09.346+00:00It all depends on what kind of incentives are bein...It all depends on what kind of incentives are being offered. When incentives for PHEVs are large, fleet customers in particular tend to buy them just because they end up cheaper than the combustion variants, even if they never actually intend to charge them... That kind of distortion doesn't happen with BEVs (even when incentives are large), since these obviously will ever be purchased only by buyers willing to actually charge them.<br /><br />That's why the Netherlands for example abolished most (all?) PHEV incentives a few years back, resulting in the market shifting from lots of PHEVs almost entirely to BEVs.<br /><br />In markets where there are no incentives for either, or there are some incentives, but not overly large ones for PHEVs, we usually see a more even distribution.<br /><br />(It's got nothing to do with cold or distances or culture: unlike Sweden, Norway is BEV-dominated, due to a different incentives structure...)antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-25974225519425770212020-03-04T20:25:34.076+00:002020-03-04T20:25:34.076+00:00The Swedish tax system can make it cheaper for the...The Swedish tax system can make it cheaper for the company that will fix a company car for an employee to choose an PHEV or BEV rather then the normal ICE car even if they don't pay for the fuel. As it's up to the employee to fix and pay the fueling it can mean that the PHEV is never charge as the employee maybe can't charge at home. Viktor https://www.blogger.com/profile/18124659328381348070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-26676458721522970152020-03-04T19:24:35.543+00:002020-03-04T19:24:35.543+00:00Diesel sales will be dead by 2023...
It's not ...Diesel sales will be dead by 2023...<br />It's not going to be due to lack of try that the Diesel death date will be wrongly forecast.<br />Just a summary:<br /><br />december 2019 - ...by 2024<br />november 2018 - ...by 2022<br />july 2018 - ...maybe by 2021<br />february 2018 - ...symbolic sales by 2025<br /><br />Clearly, forecasting the death date of a moving target.karoranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-61841324290194221442020-03-04T18:52:04.141+00:002020-03-04T18:52:04.141+00:00So, a listing of the best 20 selling vehicles with...So, a listing of the best 20 selling vehicles with just 6 EVs and the remainder being 14 PHEVs. That's 1762 EVs against 7003 PHEVs.<br /> <br />"High PHEV penetration doesn't have anything to do with "suitability". It's simply a function of large incentive being offered for PHEVs, resulting in many people buying them simply to save on the purchase price, rather than actually being interested in EVs. This can flip very quickly when incentives are changed."<br /><br />"If it had anything to do with suitability, we'd see similar numbers in other markets... Yet neighbouring Norway and SWEDEN have *much* higher BEV percentages."<br /><br />ROFLMAOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-4749287875180047962020-03-04T17:46:51.789+00:002020-03-04T17:46:51.789+00:00It's the cold, it's the distances, it'...It's the cold, it's the distances, it's the driving speeds, it's the driving patterns with towing etc. <br /><br />Sweden is the country of station wagons and Volvo, preferable a Volvo station wagon. There are no BEV station wagons, there are few BEV hatchbacks and there are no Volvo BEVs.<br />There are really no good options for BEVs that actually suit the needs, wants and brands that a Swede would normally buy.<br /><br />And with a culture of biofuels it is so easy to take a diesel-PHEV, run it on renewable diesel and still fit the family, a load of IKEA furniture and drive 140+ km/h on the highways or just tow a caravan whenever you like.<br />And you still do your commute on electricity, it's like 50+% of the distance anyway and zero-emission in cities where it counts for the local environment.<br /><br />When there are BEV Volvos the attitude will start to change. When there is also BEV Volkswagens like the Passat and Tiguan, BEV Skodas like the Octavia and Kodiaq and BEV Toyotas then the BEV sales will dominate.<br /><br />It probably takes another 3-4 years for enough of that to happen. Until then PHEVs will totally dominate.<br /><br /><br />Mikaelhttp://www.ev.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-57508820652376998512020-03-04T16:44:37.967+00:002020-03-04T16:44:37.967+00:00XC40 BEV,MY.At the end of the year will probably s...XC40 BEV,MY.At the end of the year will probably switch.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-44874410099547346312020-03-04T16:05:49.163+00:002020-03-04T16:05:49.163+00:00What is market share of BEVs/PHEVs? You only have ...What is market share of BEVs/PHEVs? You only have total PEV share in your post.IWasHidingDearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15046746606351815723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-45774027180609996012020-03-04T13:30:19.189+00:002020-03-04T13:30:19.189+00:00What is it with the Swedes buying so many PHEVs? I...What is it with the Swedes buying so many PHEVs? Is it the cold? Is it cultural? Do they typically drive long distances? <br /><br /><br />I know this was the case with the Dutch a few years back, then they fortunately switched to BEVs. When will Sweden switch?green.airplanehttp://nosite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-39357331494636974862020-03-04T10:04:54.584+00:002020-03-04T10:04:54.584+00:00Looks like EV sales are holding up pretty much acr...Looks like EV sales are holding up pretty much across the board, rather than just seeing an initial peak in January from delayed deliveries -- very encouraging :-) (Also for the rest of Europe I hope?) And that's with many interesting new models yet to be introduced...<br /><br />Of course combustion car sales are slowly recovering (as expected), meaning EV share will be falling back to more moderate levels throughout the year -- but it still looks like we should see at least a doubling for the year as a whole!antriknoreply@blogger.com