tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post219601955039834324..comments2024-03-24T15:03:03.162+00:00Comments on EV Sales: Germany December 2019José Ponteshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-65627692967831627282020-12-15T23:42:35.924+00:002020-12-15T23:42:35.924+00:00Ha ha, true! :-)Ha ha, true! :-)José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-32139532543622763242020-12-14T09:48:28.143+00:002020-12-14T09:48:28.143+00:00turns out we were not optimistic enough :-)turns out we were not optimistic enough :-)Flowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11731120993466603197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-67324939668756011802020-01-24T13:14:20.121+00:002020-01-24T13:14:20.121+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-6071043314308526422020-01-23T23:16:03.159+00:002020-01-23T23:16:03.159+00:00So these aren't even reservations... Basically...So these aren't even reservations... Basically just newsletter subscriptions. Actual sales will likely be a small fraction of that.antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-12125688529834811472020-01-23T13:59:07.462+00:002020-01-23T13:59:07.462+00:00@antrik
https://insideevs.com/news/392193/mini-900...@antrik<br />https://insideevs.com/news/392193/mini-90000-prospective-customers-cooper-se/These are not firm orders,interest is impressive.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-63944688062707623632020-01-23T00:54:59.916+00:002020-01-23T00:54:59.916+00:00@Vlad where did you see that figure? I have a very...@Vlad where did you see that figure? I have a very hard time believing it...<br /><br />(Unless you mean reservations rather then actual pre-orders, which is a very different thing...)antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-28018082835559899492020-01-22T10:17:03.546+00:002020-01-22T10:17:03.546+00:00Mini SE-90000 preorders.Do you have any doubts?Mini SE-90000 preorders.Do you have any doubts?Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-57866414413584735622020-01-22T03:12:29.618+00:002020-01-22T03:12:29.618+00:00It's a well-known fact that range anxiety tend...It's a well-known fact that range anxiety tends to go away once people start actually driving an EV... But because that only happens after the fact, it doesn't change the situation that very few people are willing to buy a short-range EV in the first place.<br /><br />BTW, you basically confirmed that very few people use a car *only* for the city... Which is why I think that good fast charging is a big plus for any type of personal EV.antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-85981865739142643232020-01-22T03:04:44.315+00:002020-01-22T03:04:44.315+00:00Well, of course I'm in favour of people unwill...Well, of course I'm in favour of people unwilling to go BEV yet to buy PHEVs for the time being... However, if certain people are indeed primarily concerned about cost savings, and intend to charge regularly, I would expect them to still have chosen a gasoline PHEV over a diesel combustion car... Meaning diesel PHEVs are likely competing mostly with gasoline PHEVs, not other diesels -- thus probably making them a net negative in terms of pollution.<br /><br />(BTW, I would hope that even people denying climate science should be able to acknowledge that breathing poisonous and carcinogenic exhaust fumes is not the best of ideas?...)antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-71430339765867103832020-01-21T18:16:04.915+00:002020-01-21T18:16:04.915+00:00I have a 30 kWh EV and bought it just as city/comm...I have a 30 kWh EV and bought it just as city/commuter car, for the rest i would have the ICE car.<br /><br />Turns out, the "city EV" can do much more than just commuting, it can do also a few weekend trips, so i guess others would also find a 30-something kWh EV enough for them for the daily commutes. José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-89748847448460016632020-01-21T18:11:12.742+00:002020-01-21T18:11:12.742+00:00Option 2.
Remember, not everyone is a climate ac...Option 2. <br /><br />Remember, not everyone is a climate activist, in fact most people are neutral, with a big minority still being climate denier.<br /><br />We have to engage everyone in electrification, so the arguments have to change according to the target audience.<br /><br />So, if we convince people that would go diesel in their next car, to go PHEV diesel, it is still better than just prieching the BEV gospel to them, something that would not get into their mindset, and then they would just buy another diesel car, right?José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-83426494831981813652020-01-21T10:38:12.196+00:002020-01-21T10:38:12.196+00:00Expressive changes in the german market, where the...Expressive changes in the german market, where the leading position belong to the BMW Group with a clear distance from the following 3 carmakers, while the last position is occupied by Tesla.<br /><br />From the published data, 2019 carmaker standings are:<br /><br />1st BMW Group with 22656 vehicles<br />2nd Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance with 19644 vehicles<br />3rd Daimler with 15950 vehicles<br />4th Volkswagen Group with 13322 vehicles<br />5th Tesla with 9013 vehiclesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-8523237385445293662020-01-21T02:01:38.705+00:002020-01-21T02:01:38.705+00:00I efficiency was the most important parameter on i...I efficiency was the most important parameter on its own, sales figures of various models would be looking very different than they do...<br /><br />(Efficiency *does* matter -- but for most buyers, only in as much as it affects range...)antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-36750503872922947302020-01-21T01:58:18.515+00:002020-01-21T01:58:18.515+00:00I have to wonder: do these people still believe th...I have to wonder: do these people still believe the giant "clean diesel" fraud -- or are those people who just want to save fuel costs any way they can, and don't give a shit about poisoning everyone?...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-2323921187086310912020-01-21T00:50:25.707+00:002020-01-21T00:50:25.707+00:00 I see myseff as a task for Tesla:displace gasolin... I see myseff as a task for Tesla:displace gasoline analogues in its niche and a little lower.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-8264321495356378592020-01-21T00:36:58.035+00:002020-01-21T00:36:58.035+00:00"The Model 3 is still an amazing car".I ..."The Model 3 is still an amazing car".I agree.That is why I was hoping for much larger sales.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-59895535893047502020-01-20T23:08:40.250+00:002020-01-20T23:08:40.250+00:00Where do traffic jams come from? Are there just bu...Where do traffic jams come from? Are there just busesin them?Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-25867642914444157702020-01-20T22:33:23.644+00:002020-01-20T22:33:23.644+00:00Where did you guys just found 324 Mini Cooper EV? ...Where did you guys just found 324 Mini Cooper EV? BMW registered 496 of them in Germany during 2019, just february scored a blank!KiWinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-1332367828975105862020-01-20T17:25:07.740+00:002020-01-20T17:25:07.740+00:00Well...It isn't so linear.
I have heard from...Well...It isn't so linear. <br /><br />I have heard from a lot of people the argument: "Why don't OEMs make a diesel PHEV? That way, i wouldn't have any problem with fuel consumption on the highway…"<br /><br />And this is coming from private buyers, that i know they would use the electric part as much as they could, in their daily commutes. José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-25485924058129092032020-01-20T14:10:30.286+00:002020-01-20T14:10:30.286+00:00Ceteris paribus.Ceteris paribus.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-63740109221498047022020-01-20T14:04:14.798+00:002020-01-20T14:04:14.798+00:00Efficiency for am BEV is the most important parame...Efficiency for am BEV is the most important parameter.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-9482761584164488362020-01-20T13:52:56.383+00:002020-01-20T13:52:56.383+00:00The Model 3 is still an amazing car, that trounces...The Model 3 is still an amazing car, that trounces anything else in the same price range. I don't think it needs additional incentives...<br /><br />Nevertheless, I for my part wasn't actually holding out too much hope for it doing particularly well in Germany: German premium car buyers tend to be fiercely loyal to German brands... The 9,000 deliveries of the American upstart are more than I dared to hope for.<br /><br />But I see no reason why it should be worse this year: the first and only German competitor announced thus far is the BMW i4, supposed to come at some point in 2021... Nothing in 2020. And the construction of the factory near Berlin is likely to provide some tailwinds, as it lessens the perception of Tesla as a niche foreign upstart...<br /><br />What other models could sell in a similar range? There is the Zoe of course, which should see a further boost from the bigger battery, but might also face some competition from the Corsa-e, which itself should see similar sales figures. The i3 is unlikely to see sales growing further without a new version, but should be able to keep its standing more or less I'd guess. And of course there is the ID.3 later in the year, if it doesn't get delayed further...<br /><br />I can't think of any other model that is likely to threaten the top ranks.antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-29541379245354492752020-01-20T13:25:38.020+00:002020-01-20T13:25:38.020+00:00I live in a city -- so I *know* there is not reall...I live in a city -- so I *know* there is not really much reason to own a private car for people who don't regularly leave the city. I can walk (or scoot) to many places; use pretty decent public transport for longer distances or bad weather; and could also easily rent a shared vehicles for occasions where it's more convenient.<br /><br />Of course there are still many people who prefer driving private cars nevertheless: but their main motivation is generally a perception of independence -- which doesn't jibe well with a short-range EV...<br /><br />Also, even people who stay in the city usually prefer a larger battery, since city dwellers most often don't have access to dedicated charging spots: so having to charge less often is more convenient.<br /><br />It's a well-known fact that longer-range EVs sell better. We shall see about the Mini SE -- for now I remain doubtful it will be anything but niche longer term...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-90456261815322649792020-01-20T07:50:20.998+00:002020-01-20T07:50:20.998+00:00Thank you for your impressing report. It would be ...Thank you for your impressing report. It would be very important, to publish the earnings per E-car Model top 30. Who could collect and publish the data?Clean Air!https://www.blogger.com/profile/04337370892951785084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-7913408879967667192020-01-20T03:58:37.786+00:002020-01-20T03:58:37.786+00:00I think many would be in favor.I think many would be in favor.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01882302429397402385noreply@blogger.com