tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post4564560034533316585..comments2024-03-24T15:03:03.162+00:00Comments on EV Sales: Europe March 2020José Ponteshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-5221454244062508492020-06-28T12:14:32.491+00:002020-06-28T12:14:32.491+00:0021.225 only model 3. Where are the Model S/X?21.225 only model 3. Where are the Model S/X?mhendrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897747484474214504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-44193787853182917422020-05-29T09:16:32.925+00:002020-05-29T09:16:32.925+00:00Where is the proof that tesla sold 21225 vehicles ...Where is the proof that tesla sold 21225 vehicles ???NOT TRUE!!! <br />The total sales for the biggest markets (Norway, Germany, France, Holland ... that account for 80% of EV sales in Europe)only show 9250 teslas sold ... where did the rest came from ???Elvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09178549484770677982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-89922373297241333132020-05-04T12:37:41.164+00:002020-05-04T12:37:41.164+00:00I'm sorry. I'm usually trying to remain mo...I'm sorry. I'm usually trying to remain more or less civil even in the face of haters: but gloating that Tesla wasn't able to deliver all cars in the current situation crosses the line for me.antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-55921104359299538442020-05-04T12:18:39.950+00:002020-05-04T12:18:39.950+00:00Antrik and Anonymous: Please keep insults for Fox ...Antrik and Anonymous: Please keep insults for Fox News forums and the like, we are here to talk about EVs, ALL EVs, including Tesla.<br /><br />Throughout these years, i have tried to be as impartial as possible, not only regarding Tesla, but also regarding PHEVs, especially long range ones.<br /><br />On Tesla, i have already expelled "anti" and "pro" Tesla trolls from the blog, and won't hesitate to do it again in the future, if things get out of hand.<br /><br />There have been several requests for me to focus solely on BEVs, something that i have always refuted, because i think they have a role in electrification.<br /><br />And even Fuel Cells have been mentioned, whenever they have success stories.José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-8732284968754247202020-05-03T17:30:10.910+00:002020-05-03T17:30:10.910+00:00If you fail to publish my reply, it is clear that ...If you fail to publish my reply, it is clear that you subscribe bullying and a line of retoric & argumentation in that, ONLY ONE KIND of EV has merit, leaving any PHEVs and all the other EVs as useless and devoid of any value, in this space you created and maintain. One wonders what lobby are you supporting and promoting.<br />Here's waiting for, at least, a full 3 months of "chinese virus" excuses to justify dismal Tesla sales..., bla, bla, bla Tesla greatness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-6142536407411010622020-05-01T19:00:30.254+00:002020-05-01T19:00:30.254+00:00While I somewhat agree with this reasoning, it sho...While I somewhat agree with this reasoning, it should be noted that most car makers tend to build a wagon and a crossover on the same platform (or hatchback and crossover in the B and C segments) -- so clearly there must be quite separate markets for these...<br /><br />An interesting development on that front is the upcoming Taycan Cross Tourismo, which is in some ways a wagon variant of the Taycan; but it's also somewhat elevated, to make it more like a crossover... I think in the future we might see this sort of convergence more often.antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-91948721977809387672020-04-29T20:27:00.280+00:002020-04-29T20:27:00.280+00:00@Anonymous Coward: I see, still celebrating the vi...@Anonymous Coward: I see, still celebrating the virus for disrupting Tesla's sales... What a great human being you are!antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-79028762175399511362020-04-29T20:21:14.469+00:002020-04-29T20:21:14.469+00:00The carbon fibre body is kinda cool, but also a ma...The carbon fibre body is kinda cool, but also a major part of the reason why the i3 is so expensive... It was never meant to be a mainstream vehicle.antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-58806922425764169732020-04-29T20:20:17.099+00:002020-04-29T20:20:17.099+00:00The Model 3 and the e-tron are also sold pretty mu...The Model 3 and the e-tron are also sold pretty much worldwide under the same name, to the best of my knowledge... Not sure about Chinese naming or availability of the e-Golf, Kona, or Niro. (The latter two have slightly different modifiers for the BEV versions I think, but the base name is the same in all the markets I'm aware of where it's being sold...)antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-52886907220363633312020-04-29T20:09:49.203+00:002020-04-29T20:09:49.203+00:00@Unknown there are currently no plans to produce M...@Unknown there are currently no plans to produce Model S or X outside of Fremont -- and given their low-volume nature, that's very very unlikely to change in the future... So Giga Berlin will affect those only indirectly, by making Tesla generally a more established brand in Europe.<br /><br />The introduction of the upcoming new power train (and possibly <br />other changes) on the other hand should indeed give the S and X a significant boost...antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-4657001611162373672020-04-29T20:00:07.148+00:002020-04-29T20:00:07.148+00:00The massive peak in January, followed by a huge sl...The massive peak in January, followed by a huge slump in February and March, clearly shows that PSA has been hoarding months of production/demand for their new models, to throw at the market all at once as soon as 2020 broke... They seem to be playing the compliance game more single-mindedly than anyone else.antriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-73837296432653925172020-04-29T13:17:21.072+00:002020-04-29T13:17:21.072+00:00I did compare 2019 top 20 versus 1Q20 top 20. Inte...I did compare 2019 top 20 versus 1Q20 top 20. Interestingly 14 out of 20 are still in the top 20.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08994357826268635166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-72494227254111241092020-04-29T13:07:43.711+00:002020-04-29T13:07:43.711+00:00Yes Jose
I understand that automakers combine salo...Yes Jose<br />I understand that automakers combine saloon/estate into 1 model and dont breakup the sales. Ideally they should do since estates are closer to crossovers in terms of 5 door body style, functionality, etc. Just my opinion.<br />As crossovers become more common, and those who want more fuel efficient vehicles may ask for separate estate models without saloon combo.<br />famlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-76755914772899870952020-04-29T11:25:21.707+00:002020-04-29T11:25:21.707+00:00Yeah, PSA's fall has been surprisingly fast, i...Yeah, PSA's fall has been surprisingly fast, i'm wondering what is going on there, weakening demand?José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-67595558691542096002020-04-29T11:24:06.340+00:002020-04-29T11:24:06.340+00:00In Europe we consider the station Wagon body of a ...In Europe we consider the station Wagon body of a given model as part of its lineup, so usually there's no breakdown between sedan and station Wagon.José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-77538710714392112812020-04-29T11:23:24.860+00:002020-04-29T11:23:24.860+00:00That 25k means there will be some 4k Model 3 on in...That 25k means there will be some 4k Model 3 on inventory to be delivered in Q2, with Q3 with a bunch of boats bringing fresh new Model 3's...<br /><br />The question isn't so much supply, as it was just delayed, but future demand, Q3 should have some good numbers, but Q4 could be already problematic, for two reasons:<br /><br />- The unfolding of the Covid-related economic crisis;<br /><br />- Model Y's long shadow, that by that time could start to affect the Model 3 sales. José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-88569768420583050172020-04-29T11:12:20.823+00:002020-04-29T11:12:20.823+00:00In Europe we consider the station Wagon body of a ...In Europe we consider the station Wagon body of a given model as part of its lineup, so usually there's no breakdown between sedan and station Wagon.José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-26975647827706025322020-04-29T11:09:51.077+00:002020-04-29T11:09:51.077+00:00Both Europe and the US aren't leveled fields f...Both Europe and the US aren't leveled fields for the e-Tron and Model X, as Audi has the home advantage in Europe and Tesla has the same in North America.<br /><br />The leveled playing field could be in China, but then again, both are being trailed by the local models.José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-86467590958235228862020-04-29T11:05:42.106+00:002020-04-29T11:05:42.106+00:00Thanks for the input, will have that in mind.Thanks for the input, will have that in mind.José Ponteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927229481945352747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-35342695168121429932020-04-29T08:22:54.675+00:002020-04-29T08:22:54.675+00:00Model X is superior car, but as it not manufacture...Model X is superior car, but as it not manufactured in Europe pricing is high. This give Etron a chance. When Giga Berlin is open and Model X gets a refresh, tides will turn.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06075678978382238853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-61095514298887089282020-04-29T07:33:46.545+00:002020-04-29T07:33:46.545+00:00"~25,000 Model 3 heading for Europe in Q1, al..."~25,000 Model 3 heading for Europe in Q1, all sold out..."<br />Where are they: inside the ship, rotting in the pier, adrift? Because they only managed to sold out 21225, LOL. And inventory is a newer way of working at Tesla... as they previously worked with online-only orders/sales and recently with touch-less deliveries. Tesla always innovating, LOL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-29426889659223928592020-04-29T05:35:13.944+00:002020-04-29T05:35:13.944+00:00Because even if it can charge faster, its efficien...Because even if it can charge faster, its efficiency is worse so you still get less range/minute. This matters even more since you pay per kwh now, not flat fee.<br /><br />This is why efficiency is mentioned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-72719749434325742362020-04-28T18:08:20.858+00:002020-04-28T18:08:20.858+00:00As the year progresses, and notwithstanding the CO...As the year progresses, and notwithstanding the COVID-19 Pandemic impact, the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance and the Volkswagen Group cement their positionings, while Groupe PSA and the BMW Group have been sliding, although Tesla is set to deteriorate significantly the next quarters.<br /><br />From the posted data, Q12020 carmaker standings are:<br /><br />1st Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance with 38527 vehicles<br />2nd Volkswagen Group with 27811 vehicles<br />3rd Tesla with 21225 vehicles<br />4th BMW Group with 18316 vehicles<br />5th Kia-Hyundai with 13842 vehiclesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-35828404449793302102020-04-28T17:14:41.975+00:002020-04-28T17:14:41.975+00:00Ideally Volvo S60 (Saloon) and V60 (Estate) should...Ideally Volvo S60 (Saloon) and V60 (Estate) should be split into 2 separate models since they have different body styles, volumetric capacity. Splitting will then push both out of Top-20. Same holds true for Benz E300e/de. <br />famlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1399793419425111085.post-49849743888788805432020-04-28T16:51:34.927+00:002020-04-28T16:51:34.927+00:00Despite being at a disadvantage from Tesla's d...Despite being at a disadvantage from Tesla's delivery pattern colliding head-on with the onset of lockdowns in most of Europe, the Model 3 managed to edge out the Zoe after all...<br /><br />21,000 deliveries means that European inventory probably grew only by some 4,000 units or so, for a total of maybe 6,000 or 7,000 units at the end of the quarter... Given that Fremont quite possibly won't be able to send *anything* to Europe in Q2, this means however that Q2 will be terrible; while Q3 could see a significant rebound -- perhaps even an all-time high?...antriknoreply@blogger.com